Doctor Who: The Impossible Astronaut
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eve11Yay, now I get to see/hear all the bits I missed at the screening! Including:
- "I thought it would taste more like the gums" -- a brit thing? Not gums like teeth and gums? Something else, I'm assuming.
- Right, my "be afraid of TV monsters" button must be broken, at least in Doctor Who. I guess Doctor Who monsters don't scare me. The silence are creepy but more mysterious than anything. The Weeping Angels startled me a bit in Blink but I was never really afraid of them. Odd, because when I was little I was afraid of every single monster in Scoobie Doo, I was afraid of watching Josie and the Pussycats (NO idea why), and I was terrified of Don Music from Sesame Street. But yeah, creepy guys in suits, okay. Perhaps it was all those years of being and X-phile. Mutations and grossness and twisting of the human body etc (The Fly, that one Big Finish audio with Seven, Ace and Benny)... those freak me out a bit, and the only Moffat monster that scared me was when the WWII Doctor turned into a gas-mask zombie; the grotesque aspect of it. The Silence: I want to know what their deal is, but I won't be hiding behind the sofa anytime soon.
- "It's okay, I know it's you." He points at the ground and then looks like he's resigning himself to being shot by the astronaut. ARG who is the astronaut? D says he thinks maybe the Doctor spawned off another alternate version of himself and he had to reconcile them somehow. I thought it might be River Song but if so then why would River shoot the astronaut and/or not know what was going on? Puzzly puzzle pieces here. And a heartwrenching scene all around. (Except for the fact that as the camera angles change you can see that the Doctor changes position--arm out then arm at his side--while dead. Bit of a glitch, that.)
- Mark Sheppard's Dad has just as cool of a voice as Mark Sheppard.
- Arg, burning pyre! Am so sad! And the music sounds so like the sad stuff at the end of Doomsday too, with the strumming pain base and the haunting singing. *wails*
- I really get the idea that the Doctor knows more than he's letting on here. First off, he's 909 or so he says, which is a year past what he was in series 5 right? He was 907. And I think he might have already known Canton Everett Delaware, or at least recognizes the name.
- "Hippie!" "Archeaologist." Ahahaha! And I love the way they transition between the TARDIS and the bar. Very smooth.
- Hey, the TARDIS can turn invisible! And it's canon apparently; the Doctor says it's been a long while since he's done it... as Patrick Troughton, in the Invasion, I believe.
- I LOVE the Oval Office scene to teeny tiny bits. Especially, "The legs, the nose, and Mrs. Robinson." And how he bangs his head into the invisible TARDIS, and how Delaware takes him down and "River make her blue again!" and "Do not compliment the intruder!" and well, all of it.
- Poor Peterson though. Totally outmatched.
- I love that he actually needs street level maps covering all of Florida, and a SWAT team. I figured that was just a throwaway line being as it's one we've seen from very early trailers :D
- "Also.... there's another lead I'm following." Oh Doctor, what do you really know about what's going on? Why do I get the feeling you've encountered Canton Everett Delaware III before?
- So much going on with memory in Moffat's world.
- "Your five minutes are up." "Yeah, and where's my fez?"
- Silents are creepier when you don't see them close up. Why does he blow up that lady? And is it just me or does she look like she's throwing her arms out in a regeneration-pose?
- "You will tell the Doctor what he must know, and what he must never know!" "How do you know about that?" Amy, Amy, Amy, why do I get the feeling that the pregnancy thing is the "thing the Doctor must never know," and not what happened by the lake? And why would a pregnancy be something the Doctor must never know? ARG, PUZZLE PIECES.
- "It's here! The Spaceman's here! It's gonna get me! It's gonna eat me!" WTF????
- "Lovely fellas. Two of them fancied me." Ha, I love name-dropping Doctor.
- "And Doctor Song, you've got that face on again." "What face?" "The 'He's hot when he's clever' face." "This is my normal face." "Yes it is." "Oh, shut up." "Not a chance." I love them so much!
- "Brave heart, Canton." :D "How long have Scotland Yard had this?" :D :D :D
- "life signs?" "Nothing that's showing up." "Those are the worst kind!"
- "I'm quite the screamer." At the screening the audience exploded into cheers at that. LOL we didn't even need the "there's a spoiler for you!" bit; didn't even hear it until I rewatched. And then, "I think he means the possible alien invasion..." Oh, Doctor. Don't flirt if you aren't going to back it up!
- Silents dress in suits but live in tunnels. Weird. They also have rather... um... phallic hands.
- "Hang on River. I'm coming too." Oh Rory. And yes, I am shallow, and yes his arms are hawt.
- River gets sick the same way Amy does. They are the only two. WTH? It's not a pregnancy that's making them sick? Or are they both preggers? Or ... or... what???
- "You and the Doctor; I can kind of picture it." And then there is a nice scene between Rory and River, but it invokes questions for me. Because, I don't think that River and the Doctor have been going exactly a back-to-front, timeline-wise. It doesn't make sense. Otherwise River wouldn't have to sync her diary all the time. And aside from the fact that in the Library ep she tells him he took her out right before then and gave her his sonic screwdriver and such (making me think that it's a future Doctor that does this but it can't be in the back-to-front line, unless Tennant did it the very next time he saw her, which I suppose is possible), and the idea that she needs a "spotter's guide" to distinguish between the different Doctors and is unnerved when he "goes all babyface on" her in Time of Angels. It makes me think that it is more complicated than back-to-front. I also think that something that is not strictly linear (be it reverse linear or regular linear) is more interesting anyway. And well, maybe in River's timeline now they are still going back to front, but will start skipping around later on in her timeline.
- "And I think it's going to kill me." This makes me wonder, is River some kind of memory bank or something? Is she somehow holding on to the Doctor's timeline so it can be re-made, like Amy kind of was at the end of the Big Bang. Obviously somehow we are going to have to undo the whole death of the Doctor, in order to you know, not kill the franchise. But the way she says it, there is the slightest hint there that maybe it's not an emotional thing. Or it's partly an emotional thing, but would River have ended up "killed" at the end of her timeline with the Doctor anyway? Hm. I am rambling. Most likely am wrong, of course. Curse you, Moffat.
- The Silents are building a TARDIS!!! That is the Lodger TARDIS. Yes it is. Of course neither Rory nor River were around in the Lodger to see it. Only the Doctor.
- Arg, something sneaking up on Rory! Aaaaa! What happened to him?
- "That's Classified." "Classified by whom?" "God knows." LOL Canton the FBI govvy would totally ask that. And the answer is NEVER SIMPLE.
- Amy gets sick again. What? Is it the kid? But the kid wasn't in the Oval office.
- Why does the Doctor look like he's seen the astronaut before? Maybe I'm reading into it. But there is a puzzle piece missing. A few of them. What did Amy and Rory do in those 2 months? Why would it be important that the Doctor know Amy's preggers? What was the Doctor doing in tracking down the Silents for possibly an entire year, and then possibly also running from them for 200? Why do I get the feeling that this mystery is going to go back farther than we might originally think?
I had to wait a whole 15 minutes or so to watch part 2. Not envying you all a week.
- "I thought it would taste more like the gums" -- a brit thing? Not gums like teeth and gums? Something else, I'm assuming.
- Right, my "be afraid of TV monsters" button must be broken, at least in Doctor Who. I guess Doctor Who monsters don't scare me. The silence are creepy but more mysterious than anything. The Weeping Angels startled me a bit in Blink but I was never really afraid of them. Odd, because when I was little I was afraid of every single monster in Scoobie Doo, I was afraid of watching Josie and the Pussycats (NO idea why), and I was terrified of Don Music from Sesame Street. But yeah, creepy guys in suits, okay. Perhaps it was all those years of being and X-phile. Mutations and grossness and twisting of the human body etc (The Fly, that one Big Finish audio with Seven, Ace and Benny)... those freak me out a bit, and the only Moffat monster that scared me was when the WWII Doctor turned into a gas-mask zombie; the grotesque aspect of it. The Silence: I want to know what their deal is, but I won't be hiding behind the sofa anytime soon.
- "It's okay, I know it's you." He points at the ground and then looks like he's resigning himself to being shot by the astronaut. ARG who is the astronaut? D says he thinks maybe the Doctor spawned off another alternate version of himself and he had to reconcile them somehow. I thought it might be River Song but if so then why would River shoot the astronaut and/or not know what was going on? Puzzly puzzle pieces here. And a heartwrenching scene all around. (Except for the fact that as the camera angles change you can see that the Doctor changes position--arm out then arm at his side--while dead. Bit of a glitch, that.)
- Mark Sheppard's Dad has just as cool of a voice as Mark Sheppard.
- Arg, burning pyre! Am so sad! And the music sounds so like the sad stuff at the end of Doomsday too, with the strumming pain base and the haunting singing. *wails*
- I really get the idea that the Doctor knows more than he's letting on here. First off, he's 909 or so he says, which is a year past what he was in series 5 right? He was 907. And I think he might have already known Canton Everett Delaware, or at least recognizes the name.
- "Hippie!" "Archeaologist." Ahahaha! And I love the way they transition between the TARDIS and the bar. Very smooth.
- Hey, the TARDIS can turn invisible! And it's canon apparently; the Doctor says it's been a long while since he's done it... as Patrick Troughton, in the Invasion, I believe.
- I LOVE the Oval Office scene to teeny tiny bits. Especially, "The legs, the nose, and Mrs. Robinson." And how he bangs his head into the invisible TARDIS, and how Delaware takes him down and "River make her blue again!" and "Do not compliment the intruder!" and well, all of it.
- Poor Peterson though. Totally outmatched.
- I love that he actually needs street level maps covering all of Florida, and a SWAT team. I figured that was just a throwaway line being as it's one we've seen from very early trailers :D
- "Also.... there's another lead I'm following." Oh Doctor, what do you really know about what's going on? Why do I get the feeling you've encountered Canton Everett Delaware III before?
- So much going on with memory in Moffat's world.
- "Your five minutes are up." "Yeah, and where's my fez?"
- Silents are creepier when you don't see them close up. Why does he blow up that lady? And is it just me or does she look like she's throwing her arms out in a regeneration-pose?
- "You will tell the Doctor what he must know, and what he must never know!" "How do you know about that?" Amy, Amy, Amy, why do I get the feeling that the pregnancy thing is the "thing the Doctor must never know," and not what happened by the lake? And why would a pregnancy be something the Doctor must never know? ARG, PUZZLE PIECES.
- "It's here! The Spaceman's here! It's gonna get me! It's gonna eat me!" WTF????
- "Lovely fellas. Two of them fancied me." Ha, I love name-dropping Doctor.
- "And Doctor Song, you've got that face on again." "What face?" "The 'He's hot when he's clever' face." "This is my normal face." "Yes it is." "Oh, shut up." "Not a chance." I love them so much!
- "Brave heart, Canton." :D "How long have Scotland Yard had this?" :D :D :D
- "life signs?" "Nothing that's showing up." "Those are the worst kind!"
- "I'm quite the screamer." At the screening the audience exploded into cheers at that. LOL we didn't even need the "there's a spoiler for you!" bit; didn't even hear it until I rewatched. And then, "I think he means the possible alien invasion..." Oh, Doctor. Don't flirt if you aren't going to back it up!
- Silents dress in suits but live in tunnels. Weird. They also have rather... um... phallic hands.
- "Hang on River. I'm coming too." Oh Rory. And yes, I am shallow, and yes his arms are hawt.
- River gets sick the same way Amy does. They are the only two. WTH? It's not a pregnancy that's making them sick? Or are they both preggers? Or ... or... what???
- "You and the Doctor; I can kind of picture it." And then there is a nice scene between Rory and River, but it invokes questions for me. Because, I don't think that River and the Doctor have been going exactly a back-to-front, timeline-wise. It doesn't make sense. Otherwise River wouldn't have to sync her diary all the time. And aside from the fact that in the Library ep she tells him he took her out right before then and gave her his sonic screwdriver and such (making me think that it's a future Doctor that does this but it can't be in the back-to-front line, unless Tennant did it the very next time he saw her, which I suppose is possible), and the idea that she needs a "spotter's guide" to distinguish between the different Doctors and is unnerved when he "goes all babyface on" her in Time of Angels. It makes me think that it is more complicated than back-to-front. I also think that something that is not strictly linear (be it reverse linear or regular linear) is more interesting anyway. And well, maybe in River's timeline now they are still going back to front, but will start skipping around later on in her timeline.
- "And I think it's going to kill me." This makes me wonder, is River some kind of memory bank or something? Is she somehow holding on to the Doctor's timeline so it can be re-made, like Amy kind of was at the end of the Big Bang. Obviously somehow we are going to have to undo the whole death of the Doctor, in order to you know, not kill the franchise. But the way she says it, there is the slightest hint there that maybe it's not an emotional thing. Or it's partly an emotional thing, but would River have ended up "killed" at the end of her timeline with the Doctor anyway? Hm. I am rambling. Most likely am wrong, of course. Curse you, Moffat.
- The Silents are building a TARDIS!!! That is the Lodger TARDIS. Yes it is. Of course neither Rory nor River were around in the Lodger to see it. Only the Doctor.
- Arg, something sneaking up on Rory! Aaaaa! What happened to him?
- "That's Classified." "Classified by whom?" "God knows." LOL Canton the FBI govvy would totally ask that. And the answer is NEVER SIMPLE.
- Amy gets sick again. What? Is it the kid? But the kid wasn't in the Oval office.
- Why does the Doctor look like he's seen the astronaut before? Maybe I'm reading into it. But there is a puzzle piece missing. A few of them. What did Amy and Rory do in those 2 months? Why would it be important that the Doctor know Amy's preggers? What was the Doctor doing in tracking down the Silents for possibly an entire year, and then possibly also running from them for 200? Why do I get the feeling that this mystery is going to go back farther than we might originally think?
I had to wait a whole 15 minutes or so to watch part 2. Not envying you all a week.
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Date: 2011-04-25 01:15 am (UTC)He means Wine Gums.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wine_gum
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Date: 2011-04-25 01:20 am (UTC)God I can't wait till sat and i havet o wait longer as I am going to be in CO and wait to see it when I get home unless there is a miracle and my aunt gets BBCA
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Date: 2011-04-25 05:14 am (UTC)Also, YES! EXACTLY THE SAME AS IN THE LODGER.
I, too, am having trouble with the timey-wimey nature of Eleven and River Song. Strongly reminiscent of Time Traveler's Wife and also somewhat Slaughterhouse-5. I thought when River was talking about that last moment, the one of pain or whateva, she was talking about in the Library -- but then it seemed like she wasn't. ach, well.
time to wait a week...
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Date: 2011-04-25 11:34 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-04-25 05:18 am (UTC)I just rewatched the episode from season 5 with all the weeping angels -- I think that River Song kills the doctor. Because remember how she's in custody for killing a man, a "good man"? When the Doctor asks her about it, she says that she killed "the best man she's ever known".
I think she kills him for some reason. I still don't understand all the timey wimey bits involving River and the Doctor's relationship though.
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Date: 2011-04-25 11:17 am (UTC)And of course I'm reading any spoiler I can get my hands on. ;)
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Date: 2011-04-25 11:38 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-04-25 07:37 pm (UTC)Am just now sitting down after getting settled at home, ready to watch now. Yay!
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Date: 2011-04-25 07:39 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-04-25 07:40 pm (UTC)I will be over to be both confused and full of squee.
WHEEE!
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Date: 2011-04-25 01:36 pm (UTC)"Also.... there's another lead I'm following." I don't remember the exact placing of this line, but it seemed to me that he was referring to both the fact that it must be near the Kennedy Space Center and then the three-presidential names, which he was keeping Nixon in the dark. If he's hinting at something else entirely, that would throw me for a loop.
You bring up a good point-- while it would be nice if Doctor and River's timelines were a simple reversal in order, I do think they do a lot of skipping around-- which makes it even more complicated for us, gah! :) Even having seen the second episode, still so many questions!!
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Date: 2011-04-25 02:04 pm (UTC)Case in point, all the street names in my Grandmother's neighborhood (in Southeastern PA) are named after presidents. So, no Adams/Hamilton/Jefferson intersections, but Tyler/Madison, Madison/Harrison, Monroe/Garfield, etc.
Yes, I'm thinking that the folks who are waiting for a ton of answers in episode 2 are going to be a bit... disappointed. And you've seen it twice, haven't you? Right now the more I think about it the more disjointed it all feels and I'm getting cross... I need to re-watch it and can't do so until Saturday. Boo.
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Date: 2011-04-25 05:37 pm (UTC)Personally, I prefer the hopping and skipping around (within reason) though that's mostly because I don't like to think that the first two episodes of the season is one of the last times River sees the Doctor because it makes me so damn sad.
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Date: 2011-04-25 05:36 pm (UTC)OKAY. MY CRACK THEORY GOES LIKE THIS.
Amy remembered the Doctor at the end of Pandorica/Big Bang and thus brought him back in to existence, right?
The final trigger for that was River's empty diary which SOMEHOW River knew to bring to Amy on her wedding day (despite the fact that they never should have known each other... or DID THEY?).
Both of these things = River and Amy having some sort of super-duper memory thing going on. PERHAPS, the Silents/Silence/Whatever/AlienMIBs defense mechanism effects both of them this way (i.e. nausea) because of this in some way that would make sense if only I could think of it.
I also think that Amy's initial telling the Doctor about the pregnancy came out of a panicked "OMG I'm pregnant and crazy stuff is happening, maybe I should let the Doctor know because it's danger time."
OH THE THEORIES IN MY BRAIN!
Also? River/Eleven is soooo going to happen. (I hope.)
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Date: 2011-04-25 07:28 pm (UTC)Good thing we've seen episode 2... hahahahaha....
In other news, crack theories. I have one but I don't want to talk about it yet because it involves stuff we learn in episode 2. *sighs*
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Date: 2011-04-26 02:58 am (UTC)that's what i thought!