Flesh and Stone: rewatch
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It's never been more important.
Watching it again for the details.
The first scene with the door is just fantastic.
"Well it's a time bomb. Well it's a death trap and a time bomb, and now it's a dead end. Nobody panic." *gets frightened but calm looks as the Angels pound the doors* "Oh. Just me, then."
"What if the gravity fails?"
"I've thought about that."
"And?"
"And we'll all plunge to our deaths. See, I've thought about it."
"I absolutely trust him."
"He's not some kind of madman, then."
... "I absolutely trust him."
Also, the angels advancing in the strobe of the gunfire is a very cool visual. Moving on!
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The flight to the forest:
"Bought us time though, and that's good. I am good with time."
And the second bit in as many episodes where everyone except for the audience figures something out, and leaves us foundering in the dark for a few seconds for the effect. In real life, they would confirm things, "Of course, an oxygen factory."
"A forest in a bottle in a space ship in a maze; have I impressed you yet, Amy Pond?"
"Because you haven't noticed yet, sir. The Doctor in the TARDIS hasn't noticed."
Echoing Prisoner Zero from the first episode. "The Doctor in the TARDIS doesn't know." It's almost sing-song-y (more so in the first case of course), like the bad guys are just lumping The-Doctor-in-the-TARDIS together as one being. Strange.
Now I'm wondering who says "Do... Not... Blink..." at the end of that control room scene. What with the knowledge that we get from later on. I figured it was just a voiceover. Perhaps it is. But then he says "Why am I not dead yet? Good and not so good." Perhaps there is someone else in the room (eta: through the crack?) who is looking at the angels. Perhaps? Arg!
"Never let me talk!" heh.
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In the woods, Amy is falling prey to the angels. What's interesting is that this is only 12:30 into the episode. The pace is very fast in this ep but it still seems to work better than Victory of the Daleks when the Dalek came alive about now.
"I'll do a thing."
"what kind of thing?"
"I don't know, it's a thing in progress. Respect the thing!"
The scene with Amy in the forest, where they leave her behind: Oh,
aikea_guinea, you are good. You are good and I am thick. How many times did I watch that scene? It was one of the three pre-released clips that I watched a bunch on Friday. And I never caught this, which you shared with me: At the part where Amy is in the Forest and the Doctor leaves, then 'comes back...' This isn't the same Doctor. He obviously lost his jacket to the Angels only a few minutes prior, and yet in this scene he has it back on. We're shown he's got the sleeves up as well, and after this he's shown with his shirtsleeves down, so I don't think this was a continuity mistake. I'm wondering if 'Remember what I told you when you were seven' is going to show up again. And he seemed really upset.
You are So Freaking Right. But all that does is bring up some more questions. Did he come through the crack, trying to re-write time? Is he all in her head? Why is he so upset? What truth isn't he telling her; he just got done (in the forest timeline) telling River that it made no sense to lie to her. When I first saw that scene his raw emotion really got to me. I was a bit disappointed to see it not really reflected in the rest of the scene but now, oh man, this means something really bad is coming, doesn't it? And it also means we have to wait to figure it out, probably until the very end of the series.
ETA: and I'm wondering if the bit about him telling her something when she was seven was toward the end of The Eleventh Hour when they cut to little Amelia still outside in the dawn, suitcase packed, frowning, and hearing the TARDIS and then looking up... and then waking up as older Amy. What if that wasn't a dream? How is the Doctor muzzing these time lines and not going all Time Lord Victorious like last time?
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"Before you sent Pedro, you sent Crispin and Philip, and now you can't even remember them."
"Pedro?"
"Yeah, before you sent Pedro."
"Who's Pedro?"
This whole scene of people disappearing reminds me of something else... Star Trek maybe? The TNG episode where Dr. Crusher is stuck in the warp bubble and everyone keeps disappearing. So they are being unwritten, except time travelers can sense the differences. Again I wonder if the crack ate up Amy's parents back in Leadworth.
"I wish I'd known you better."
"I think sir, you've known me at my best."
I liked Octavian. Good that the Doctor realized he gave him too hard of a time. None of the clerics survived this episode. And Crispin, Philip, Pedro and the other guy got erased from history, not even any families to tell about their end. Or their non-beginning.
"Ready?"
"Content."
Oh, my heart breaks at this scene. Crazy ridiculous as it is, they still make the emotions of it work.
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And oh, I forgot about the notion that River kills... someone... wouldn't it just seal it if the first time River met the Doctor, she killed him, and then the first time the Doctor meets River, he kills her. But she tells him "Maybe when you're older" at the "I could kiss you!" line (HA!), so that's assuming that she knows him for some older faces. Unless time is being rewritten and she goes back and meets some of his younger, older, faces. Ow, my brain hurts now.
"I look forward to it."
"I remember it well."
Now that sounds like a line from a fairy tale :)
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I think I kind of understand the scene at the end. They needed to introduce the whole wedding date thing, so it wasn't completely out of left field; it had a reason to be there plotwise. Though Amy's seduction really-- well, let's just say, it's still miles easier to watch than the beach scene at the end of Journey's End. Amy does seem very immature though. For some reason I keep comparing and contrast this scene to the scene in Angel the series, from the episode with the telekinetic girl with daddy issues, where she tries to seduce Angel or at least "have some fun". But of course that is the Joss-verse and girls and sex are always messed up in that world. Anyway, after the revelation from
aikea_guinea I feel the need to just gawp and be like, dude, WTH is going on? And go back and look at the previous episodes and see if there's any other indications of timey-wimeyness.
Watching it again for the details.
The first scene with the door is just fantastic.
"Well it's a time bomb. Well it's a death trap and a time bomb, and now it's a dead end. Nobody panic." *gets frightened but calm looks as the Angels pound the doors* "Oh. Just me, then."
"What if the gravity fails?"
"I've thought about that."
"And?"
"And we'll all plunge to our deaths. See, I've thought about it."
"I absolutely trust him."
"He's not some kind of madman, then."
... "I absolutely trust him."
Also, the angels advancing in the strobe of the gunfire is a very cool visual. Moving on!
------
The flight to the forest:
"Bought us time though, and that's good. I am good with time."
And the second bit in as many episodes where everyone except for the audience figures something out, and leaves us foundering in the dark for a few seconds for the effect. In real life, they would confirm things, "Of course, an oxygen factory."
"A forest in a bottle in a space ship in a maze; have I impressed you yet, Amy Pond?"
"Because you haven't noticed yet, sir. The Doctor in the TARDIS hasn't noticed."
Echoing Prisoner Zero from the first episode. "The Doctor in the TARDIS doesn't know." It's almost sing-song-y (more so in the first case of course), like the bad guys are just lumping The-Doctor-in-the-TARDIS together as one being. Strange.
Now I'm wondering who says "Do... Not... Blink..." at the end of that control room scene. What with the knowledge that we get from later on. I figured it was just a voiceover. Perhaps it is. But then he says "Why am I not dead yet? Good and not so good." Perhaps there is someone else in the room (eta: through the crack?) who is looking at the angels. Perhaps? Arg!
"Never let me talk!" heh.
------
In the woods, Amy is falling prey to the angels. What's interesting is that this is only 12:30 into the episode. The pace is very fast in this ep but it still seems to work better than Victory of the Daleks when the Dalek came alive about now.
"I'll do a thing."
"what kind of thing?"
"I don't know, it's a thing in progress. Respect the thing!"
The scene with Amy in the forest, where they leave her behind: Oh,
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You are So Freaking Right. But all that does is bring up some more questions. Did he come through the crack, trying to re-write time? Is he all in her head? Why is he so upset? What truth isn't he telling her; he just got done (in the forest timeline) telling River that it made no sense to lie to her. When I first saw that scene his raw emotion really got to me. I was a bit disappointed to see it not really reflected in the rest of the scene but now, oh man, this means something really bad is coming, doesn't it? And it also means we have to wait to figure it out, probably until the very end of the series.
ETA: and I'm wondering if the bit about him telling her something when she was seven was toward the end of The Eleventh Hour when they cut to little Amelia still outside in the dawn, suitcase packed, frowning, and hearing the TARDIS and then looking up... and then waking up as older Amy. What if that wasn't a dream? How is the Doctor muzzing these time lines and not going all Time Lord Victorious like last time?
------
"Before you sent Pedro, you sent Crispin and Philip, and now you can't even remember them."
"Pedro?"
"Yeah, before you sent Pedro."
"Who's Pedro?"
This whole scene of people disappearing reminds me of something else... Star Trek maybe? The TNG episode where Dr. Crusher is stuck in the warp bubble and everyone keeps disappearing. So they are being unwritten, except time travelers can sense the differences. Again I wonder if the crack ate up Amy's parents back in Leadworth.
"I wish I'd known you better."
"I think sir, you've known me at my best."
I liked Octavian. Good that the Doctor realized he gave him too hard of a time. None of the clerics survived this episode. And Crispin, Philip, Pedro and the other guy got erased from history, not even any families to tell about their end. Or their non-beginning.
"Ready?"
"Content."
Oh, my heart breaks at this scene. Crazy ridiculous as it is, they still make the emotions of it work.
------
And oh, I forgot about the notion that River kills... someone... wouldn't it just seal it if the first time River met the Doctor, she killed him, and then the first time the Doctor meets River, he kills her. But she tells him "Maybe when you're older" at the "I could kiss you!" line (HA!), so that's assuming that she knows him for some older faces. Unless time is being rewritten and she goes back and meets some of his younger, older, faces. Ow, my brain hurts now.
"I look forward to it."
"I remember it well."
Now that sounds like a line from a fairy tale :)
------
I think I kind of understand the scene at the end. They needed to introduce the whole wedding date thing, so it wasn't completely out of left field; it had a reason to be there plotwise. Though Amy's seduction really-- well, let's just say, it's still miles easier to watch than the beach scene at the end of Journey's End. Amy does seem very immature though. For some reason I keep comparing and contrast this scene to the scene in Angel the series, from the episode with the telekinetic girl with daddy issues, where she tries to seduce Angel or at least "have some fun". But of course that is the Joss-verse and girls and sex are always messed up in that world. Anyway, after the revelation from
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Date: 2010-05-02 08:37 pm (UTC)Yeah, I'm definitely feeling the need to rewatch everything so far. Can't wait to see how this all plays out!