Once Upon a Time (season 2 disc... 3?)
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eve11Episodes 11, 12, 13 and 14 (The Outsider, In the Name of the Brother, Tiny, and Manhattan)
Well, Henry's got quite a family tree, hasn't he? I don't remember if I wrote about the earlier episodes that I watched, but I really liked Tallahassee, and now of course one would think it might come full circle in an episode called Manhattan.
Here is an interesting question: Gold was cursed, yeah, but he had some way of keeping his memories, didn't he? He still knew who he was back before the curse was broken; does that mean he won't need the scarf to keep his memories or what? And holy crap, if you learn ANYTHING from fairy tales and mythology, it's that the future is Always Up to Interpretation. You bring about your own destiny when you learn of the future. Even Paul Muad'dib knew that.
Um, I am getting side tracked. So Neal is Henry's dad, and also Mr. Gold's son, and I don't believe for a minute that they were just fated to meet. What's up with that? Also, how the hell did August/Pinocchio know who Balefire was? How did he even know Balefire existed?
Mr. Gold does not like planes. Or non-magic things. He is pretty vulnerable in the outside world (setting up both the non-magic vulnerability and the emotional kick in the pants vulnerability too), which despite the fact that he is evil and has killed lots of people, still makes me wibble a bit. *sigh* Anyway, he's not going to have a fun homecoming either, if Regina/Cora/Hook trio gets a hold of his dagger.
Speaking of Regina; What the hell. How does she not realize that this is the worst plan in the world to get Henry back? But I suppose it seems like the only way, to her. And what's interesting is that the show pulls no punches in pretty much showing that yeah, Regina is never going to get what she wants. Even "redemption" for her is going to cost her Henry, or at least the relationship she wants with him. That doesn't mean I don't feel bad for her though. I am also not 100 sure she isn't just infiltrating herself in with Cora and then going to take her down from the inside. There is still the possibility that it was Cora disguised as Regina who let the Giant out. Or something. Maybe I'm giving Regina too much credit. But what I do know, is she absolutely doesn't want to play the part of Darth Vader turning around and throwing the Emperor into the guts of the Death Star, because hey, Darth Vader DIED from doing that.
Other thoughts. Poor Tiny. Poor Belle; she is the Damsel in Distress in this season so far (although she also has some wits and smarts as well but she is getting the short fucking straw here). Poor Rumplestiltskin, having to take off his shoes at the airport.
Interestingly enough, my thought for the apartment scene was something to the effect of: He is so ready to take Balefire back to Storybrook and erase his memories (Oh jeez, so wrong-headed, also reminds me of The Girl Who Waited too), when he's sitting there with a Talisman scarf that is the only thing preserving his own memories. If he wanted to offer something worthwhile to Balefire, if he really understood what starting over would be, he would have offered to burn the scarf then and there. But. He didn't.
Now I have to wait for disc 4 to show up. Likely after the holidays. That's all right though. I should be writing.
Well, Henry's got quite a family tree, hasn't he? I don't remember if I wrote about the earlier episodes that I watched, but I really liked Tallahassee, and now of course one would think it might come full circle in an episode called Manhattan.
Here is an interesting question: Gold was cursed, yeah, but he had some way of keeping his memories, didn't he? He still knew who he was back before the curse was broken; does that mean he won't need the scarf to keep his memories or what? And holy crap, if you learn ANYTHING from fairy tales and mythology, it's that the future is Always Up to Interpretation. You bring about your own destiny when you learn of the future. Even Paul Muad'dib knew that.
Um, I am getting side tracked. So Neal is Henry's dad, and also Mr. Gold's son, and I don't believe for a minute that they were just fated to meet. What's up with that? Also, how the hell did August/Pinocchio know who Balefire was? How did he even know Balefire existed?
Mr. Gold does not like planes. Or non-magic things. He is pretty vulnerable in the outside world (setting up both the non-magic vulnerability and the emotional kick in the pants vulnerability too), which despite the fact that he is evil and has killed lots of people, still makes me wibble a bit. *sigh* Anyway, he's not going to have a fun homecoming either, if Regina/Cora/Hook trio gets a hold of his dagger.
Speaking of Regina; What the hell. How does she not realize that this is the worst plan in the world to get Henry back? But I suppose it seems like the only way, to her. And what's interesting is that the show pulls no punches in pretty much showing that yeah, Regina is never going to get what she wants. Even "redemption" for her is going to cost her Henry, or at least the relationship she wants with him. That doesn't mean I don't feel bad for her though. I am also not 100 sure she isn't just infiltrating herself in with Cora and then going to take her down from the inside. There is still the possibility that it was Cora disguised as Regina who let the Giant out. Or something. Maybe I'm giving Regina too much credit. But what I do know, is she absolutely doesn't want to play the part of Darth Vader turning around and throwing the Emperor into the guts of the Death Star, because hey, Darth Vader DIED from doing that.
Other thoughts. Poor Tiny. Poor Belle; she is the Damsel in Distress in this season so far (although she also has some wits and smarts as well but she is getting the short fucking straw here). Poor Rumplestiltskin, having to take off his shoes at the airport.
Interestingly enough, my thought for the apartment scene was something to the effect of: He is so ready to take Balefire back to Storybrook and erase his memories (Oh jeez, so wrong-headed, also reminds me of The Girl Who Waited too), when he's sitting there with a Talisman scarf that is the only thing preserving his own memories. If he wanted to offer something worthwhile to Balefire, if he really understood what starting over would be, he would have offered to burn the scarf then and there. But. He didn't.
Now I have to wait for disc 4 to show up. Likely after the holidays. That's all right though. I should be writing.
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Date: 2013-11-27 07:24 am (UTC)Gold was cursed, yeah, but he had some way of keeping his memories, didn't he?
It's not at all clear, but I believe the idea is supposed to be that Gold did lose his memories to the curse, but he got them back before everybody else, when Emma first arrived in town. I think the writers have said that hearing her name acted as the trigger -- something, presumably, that he built into the curse. And I think that does make the most amount of sense. It's a little difficult to imagine him sitting quietly and patiently in Storybrooke for twenty-eight years if he remembered the whole time who he was and why he was there.
and I don't believe for a minute that they were just fated to meet.
Fate does seem to be a real force in this universe, though. Things do seem destined to work out a certain way. Although never via quite the means you expect them to.
which despite the fact that he is evil and has killed lots of people, still makes me wibble a bit. *sigh*
Gold is very, very good at that. Damn him. :)
How does she not realize that this is the worst plan in the world to get Henry back? But I suppose it seems like the only way, to her.
I think she's very vulnerable to her mother, and tends not to be terribly good at thinking straight around her. And that plan does have a certain twisted, emotionally stunted logic to it, of the kind that Regina is all too good at buying into.
she is the Damsel in Distress in this season so far (although she also has some wits and smarts as well but she is getting the short fucking straw here).
I've always liked Belle a great deal. Sadly, I like less and less what they've been doing with her, or not doing with her, and... Well, no spoilers, but let's just say that come the end of the season I'd become very frustrated with the directions her characterization was taking.
If he wanted to offer something worthwhile to Balefire, if he really understood what starting over would be, he would have offered to burn the scarf then and there.
Now, that's an interesting thought. Not, I imagine, one that would have occurred to him. In fairness, I do think that would have been too radical a solution. Becoming someone else, a fake person with fake memories who didn't even know who Baelfire was, would perhaps not help anybody much. But then, it would still be hard to come up with a worse approach than the one he did use. In a lot of ways, I think Rumple Just Does Not Get It. He's still trying to use magic to solve all of his personal problems, when the magic is the source of the problem in the first place.
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Date: 2013-11-27 01:48 pm (UTC)There is still the possibility that it was Cora disguised as Regina who let the Giant out. Or something. Maybe I'm giving Regina too much credit.
I thought this, too. In fact, I still wonder if there aren't some scenes in that one where she's not Cora - at the end in particular, she doesn't seem herself.
*is mainly nodding a lot and Not Saying things*
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Date: 2013-11-28 03:07 am (UTC)Dude...this Show. I feel more for the 'bad guys' than I do the good!! Gold in that Airport half-killed me!! And Hook shooting Belle and her breaking the cup and...OMG...
*Sniffles*
MORE GOODIES TO COME, THEN!!
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Date: 2013-11-28 03:08 am (UTC)The next couple of episodes...whew. They lay that hammer DOWN. OMG...
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Date: 2013-11-29 09:00 pm (UTC)