Salient points, all of them :D And btw, I know I've seen you around in the doctorwho or maybe doctoreleven circles because my eyes gravitate toward your awesome awesome icon :D, so anyway, *waves* Hello! Welcome!
I also like that everything you describe could, essentially, take place in ten minutes of show time, thus leaving the rest of the episode for things like revisiting Amy in the forest and fixing the whole universe.
Yes, indeed. My guess is there will either be a montage of some kind to show the passage of time at the start of the story, or that the artwork (and I only saw the one pic) will be pictures on the walls at the exhibit in the museum, tracing the Pandorica's journey in a few well-placed scenes. And also the finale runs 55 minutes, so I've heard, so they could take 8 minutes to tell the opening of the story and the Doctor's release and still have a full episode allotment of time to address all of the rest of it.
I think it all hinges on how well it's done and whether it gives genuine insight and growth into characters or is just an easy out for the writer.
It could be, if your theory below is correct and the Pandorica shields the Doctor from the time-plosion much like a Void Ship would, that the Doctor's mind would be the only thing left from which to build the universe up. 'Course, that has quite a "Neverending Story" ring to it, doesn't it? Too much magic, not enough science for my taste ;)
It's really interesting how much of this episode is reminding me of Big Finish audios. I know Lawrence Miles panned it by calling it basically a Big Finish audio but hey, some of those have been really, really good. Case in point, Big Finish were the first to do sentient Autons (Brave New Town), and they also had a literal cliffhanger ending that picked up with the Doctor having been stranded TARDIS-less for six-hundred-odd years on a planet (Orbis) of sentient jellyfish-- oh yes, there are advantages to the audio format, surely!
I mention it now because there was also an audio adventure (Dreamtime, with Seven, Ace and Hex) that featured both mindscapes AND Uluru! BUT, it was total rubbish. Holy heck was it bad. So, perhaps a notch added to the "could be dreamscape" theory ;)
I mean, keeping your captive in suspended animation and thus unable to think is a pretty good way to keep them from getting out.
That's true, of course, but less satisfying as a character development (or as a showcase of Awesome Alien Time Lord Powers) than a scenario in which the Doctor is in a stasis field of some kind and only thing he can do for those centuries is think. Ouch.
I remember trying to argue with someone that the crack in Amy's wall could have been caused by a disaster in the future and did a very bad job of explaining how that would work.
LOL if there's one thing higher mathematics has done for me, it's made it easier to think with extra dimensions. Just increase the length of your vector and voila! But actually, the ideas of random variables and convergence concepts really help out here, too, in how to think about evolving functions of many possible outcomes.
I hope it's 1)the TARDIS 2)the Doctor 3)just a garbled echo of Prisoner Zero's original warning.
I don't see how it could be the TARDIS, though I could see how it might be an evil version of the Doctor. I keep trying to think of who would want "silence" so badly, and coming up blank other than perhaps the White Guardian. I wonder if it's someone or something new! That would really be a twist, after finales with Daleks, Daleks and Cybermen, the Master, and more Daleks and Davros, and then Rassilon.
Two bits of spec from elsewhere that might be pertinent to what you're thinking: 1) But then how would he get out? Who would be left to rescue him? Though that interpretation would gel well with the notion of a Mindscape.
2)LOL yeah, "two things are always bound to end up in a museum"... I wonder how the Doctor would score this one???? :D :D :D
Here's hoping that Moffat will come through with something brilliant. I did so love The Eleventh Hour, and had a great time with the rest of the series, and this last episode has really raised the bar.
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Date: 2010-06-22 05:22 pm (UTC)I also like that everything you describe could, essentially, take place in ten minutes of show time, thus leaving the rest of the episode for things like revisiting Amy in the forest and fixing the whole universe.
Yes, indeed. My guess is there will either be a montage of some kind to show the passage of time at the start of the story, or that the artwork (and I only saw the one pic) will be pictures on the walls at the exhibit in the museum, tracing the Pandorica's journey in a few well-placed scenes. And also the finale runs 55 minutes, so I've heard, so they could take 8 minutes to tell the opening of the story and the Doctor's release and still have a full episode allotment of time to address all of the rest of it.
I think it all hinges on how well it's done and whether it gives genuine insight and growth into characters or is just an easy out for the writer.
It could be, if your theory below is correct and the Pandorica shields the Doctor from the time-plosion much like a Void Ship would, that the Doctor's mind would be the only thing left from which to build the universe up. 'Course, that has quite a "Neverending Story" ring to it, doesn't it? Too much magic, not enough science for my taste ;)
It's really interesting how much of this episode is reminding me of Big Finish audios. I know Lawrence Miles panned it by calling it basically a Big Finish audio but hey, some of those have been really, really good. Case in point, Big Finish were the first to do sentient Autons (Brave New Town), and they also had a literal cliffhanger ending that picked up with the Doctor having been stranded TARDIS-less for six-hundred-odd years on a planet (Orbis) of sentient jellyfish-- oh yes, there are advantages to the audio format, surely!
I mention it now because there was also an audio adventure (Dreamtime, with Seven, Ace and Hex) that featured both mindscapes AND Uluru! BUT, it was total rubbish. Holy heck was it bad. So, perhaps a notch added to the "could be dreamscape" theory ;)
I mean, keeping your captive in suspended animation and thus unable to think is a pretty good way to keep them from getting out.
That's true, of course, but less satisfying as a character development (or as a showcase of Awesome Alien Time Lord Powers) than a scenario in which the Doctor is in a stasis field of some kind and only thing he can do for those centuries is think. Ouch.
I remember trying to argue with someone that the crack in Amy's wall could have been caused by a disaster in the future and did a very bad job of explaining how that would work.
LOL if there's one thing higher mathematics has done for me, it's made it easier to think with extra dimensions. Just increase the length of your vector and voila! But actually, the ideas of random variables and convergence concepts really help out here, too, in how to think about evolving functions of many possible outcomes.
I hope it's 1)the TARDIS 2)the Doctor 3)just a garbled echo of Prisoner Zero's original warning.
I don't see how it could be the TARDIS, though I could see how it might be an evil version of the Doctor. I keep trying to think of who would want "silence" so badly, and coming up blank other than perhaps the White Guardian. I wonder if it's someone or something new! That would really be a twist, after finales with Daleks, Daleks and Cybermen, the Master, and more Daleks and Davros, and then Rassilon.
Two bits of spec from elsewhere that might be pertinent to what you're thinking:
1) But then how would he get out? Who would be left to rescue him? Though that interpretation would gel well with the notion of a Mindscape.
2)LOL yeah, "two things are always bound to end up in a museum"... I wonder how the Doctor would score this one???? :D :D :D
Here's hoping that Moffat will come through with something brilliant. I did so love The Eleventh Hour, and had a great time with the rest of the series, and this last episode has really raised the bar.